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Niklas Gustafson's avatar

Finn, you cut right through the propaganda — Ukraine is no longer about defending freedom but a convenient pretext for the EU elite to tighten their grip on power and push through economic and political agendas that would never fly in peacetime.

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Finn Andreen's avatar

Thanks Niklas, yes, it's simply awful considering the dying soldiers. Sikorski's and Mette's comments really left me speechless, it's almost not believable if we didn't have proof. Next part I will delve into these financial packages. Xox

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Jack Render's avatar

I guess I'm with those who don't think it's in Russia's best interests to settle now. Anything that leaves the Banderites as such a large presence is not conducive to long-term peace, and the west, and Ukraine, show no ability or desire to rein them either. That doesn't mean I don't agree with your main point, that the Euro elites are acting primarily to feather their nests, but neither am I convinced that Trump wants the war over. If peace happens to break out, it will be the result of several errors on the part of almost every player. Strange.

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Finn Andreen's avatar

I agree with you, but remember first that the EU may well get their financing plan, or at least part of it for sure, regardless of what happens in Ukraine, as long as the war lasts a few more months - and it will.

Second, I think the Russians have this fully under control ; one way or another (through negotiations or through the barrel of a gun) they are going to fulfill all the objectives of the SMO, meaning the points you address, namely denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine. They have all the cards, and Washington now knows it (though it took them a while).

So the only question remaining is which territories beyond the 5 new regions, if any, will also enter the Russian Federation.

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Jack Render's avatar

That makes sense, but… can you think of a way to denazify through negotiation? I see that as a two-part project: changing the laws, which could conceivably be done diplomatically, though not without regime change at a minimum; and elimination of a large number of committed Banderites, whom somebody I think is going to have to kill or disperse. Ukraine can’t do that, and the west won’t, as I see it, although they’ll be willing at any point to leave them high and dry. That’s why I think the Russians would be mistaken to settle.

The European elites will get their money, but I think they need to war to continue their march towards totalitarianism. I think various points of resistance are approaching as European living standards slide and Europe as a whole slides into geopolitical irrelevance.

Zelensky knows he’s doomed if peace breaks out.

And I just think the US is committed to war everywhere and that it just doesn’t want to pay for this one directly. Although we still do as I write this.

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Finn Andreen's avatar

Fully agree with what you write, also that points of resistance are coming. We're coming to the end of the road in Europe as living standards fall and the next generation has nothing much to look forward to in terms of career or security.

Regarding Russia, when I say settle, I mean on their terms. Already now, you can see what was settled regarding the Black Sea ; Moscow get everything it wanted basically. The same will happen with the rest of the negotiations imho.

But yes, at some point the whole nazi Maidan project and government must come crashing down, one way or the other, also for the sake of fhe Ukrainian people...

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Jean Marie Wilson-Main's avatar

Europe, especially the EU and UK, do not care about Ukraine or anything happening there. They simply want to get at Russia and they don’t care who suffers in the process. It’s the same in the Middle East, they want to kill Arabs and steal everything they have.

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